@FuchsiaShock And how many lost their lives to your policy in exchange?
@FuchsiaShock OTOH, mask mandates have no correspondence with deflecting any curve--and in some cases, a negative correlation. Theory: people feel an unwarranted increase of safety, as they fiddle their mask, then touch products, doors, money, card terminals, ....
OTOH, the culture of fear is a part of the destruction of our economy, especially hard on the poor. And _that_ has demonstrably killed many people.
Cold, hard numbers, bud.
@vandys the economy fucking the poor over first in any time of difficulty is not unique to the pandemic or caused by people trying to slow the spread of the pandemic, it's a core function of capitalism.
there's a cold hard fact for you.
@FuchsiaShock Dunno where you live, but here in the Pacific NW what has been done to the poor, marginal, and small business owners is unprecedented in all of my life. And I (as you no doubt can guess) am fairly old.
Well, I didn't ever use the words "slave mark" or anything like that. I'm skeptical that they're a good idea in the way they're currently enforced. But Scott Adams is pretty smart, and he thinks they *are* a good idea. I'm OK with noting smart people who have different ideas. I'm more afraid of echo chambers than being exposed to opposing ideas.
I understand your conclusion, and it matches my _current_ conclusion.
But sometimes in my life, I find out I was wrong. And usually when I look back at my mistakes, there were smart people saying things I should have listened to.
So I have a conclusion, and I have a note to keep paying attention to the dissenting voices too.
@vandys @FuchsiaShock Suppose that they work, and from now on, you cannot enter an hospital without a mask (including medical personnel), and you need to change it every 5 minutes until you leave (all of which would be extremely impractical), but for the sake of argument let’s imagine that that happens (won’t happen, but anyway)…
there is no substantial difference between countries who never saw the mask mandate, like Sweden and Belarus, and countries who did have it… And
given the fact that in all countries the “virus” did less harm than, say, the flu (and now we know that it “substitutes” somehow the flu, according to official data, so no difference at all from previous years)…
AND given the fact that we already found, not one, but many CURES to it (despite Big Pharma working hard to suppress them into oblivion)…
Shouldn’t we all be pursuing herd immunity (and therefor drop everything that prevents contagion)?
This interview was made early right after the whole madness broke lose. Needless to say, that time proved him absolutely right:
The problem in the USA is we have > 40% obesity, > 30% diabetes, and similarly dismal numbers for emphysema, chemo sequences, acute asthma, lupus, ....
The USA is old and fat and unhealthy. We have a shitty health care system which costs a fortune. We were barely keeping influenza at bay (but look at 2017-2018 deaths).
A healthy "herd" can weather this. That does not describe the USA.
>1 person might live if we force 300 million to wear masks!!!! This quickly becomes: >1 person might live if we force 300 million people to take anything big pharma wants (to protect the vulnerable who can’t take it)!!!! That is why we resist.
>socially distancing and handwashing never killed anyone EFFECTS OF LOCKDOWNS:
Statistically, every 10 million to 24 million lost in U.S. incomes results in one additional death
So that means literally thousands of biopsies per week of potential cancers were not done. All scheduled hip replacements, knee replacement were not done. All kinds of other things including, for instance, I forget the total number of cancer screenings, but 2/3 to 3/4 of cancer screenings were not done.
50% of children in the Boston area are not even logging in when they’re supposedly in session, there’s already been an estimated 30% loss in reading skills for young children with this online model.
deaths of despair - drug use, depression, suicide
Oh and by the way, flu kills 100,000 people each year, so you are literally a mass murderer if you didn’t force mask and force distance and force vaccinate 300 million people every year before 2020 as well.
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